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Wilson Mora: Hello, everyone. Welcome to the PAC webinar series 2026. I think everybody's ready. I think so.

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Wilson Mora: Just two minutes. Do you think it's okay, Claire and Kelly, to start joining? Yep. Awesome. So welcome to the PAC webinar series 2026.

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Wilson Mora: I'm thrilled to have you join us today. I would like to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Wilson Mora. I reside in Halifax, Canada. I hold a master's degree in child and youth studies. I'm also a certified practitioner in IBASIS and also PACT.

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Wilson Mora: And I also have the privilege of serving as a PAC trainer associated with the PAC UK.

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Wilson Mora: So, today, I will be presenting this topic, Growing Together, the PACT Program, and Related Approaches.

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Wilson Mora: So this is a friendly reminder, especially for people that maybe will won't be able to to to stay the whole presentation. So this webinar will be recorded. So you will be able to watch the video after a few days. This this presentation.

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Wilson Mora: And so maybe today we'll have professionals, different stakeholder and families or parent. So all of you are welcome and your questions are welcome as well. So at the end of this presentation, we'll have about 15 minutes, maybe a little more, a little less, but hopefully I will cover all the questions that you may have.

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Wilson Mora: based on this presentation. So at the end of this presentation as well, you will receive a link with a short feedback survey. So we will appreciate your comment and your feedback, because in that way we can.

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Wilson Mora: Keep in mind those observation for a future event as well.

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Wilson Mora: So, um… this is our journey today, so we're talking about journey. So, okay, today we'll talk about PAC Foundation, we'll talk about…

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Wilson Mora: key element that we'll give you, or chat light, about how we can get, uh, a whole picture about how PAC looks like. Uh, but at the same time, we'll talk a little more about why PAC. So, what is the differences, maybe, with other, uh, approaches, or with other, uh, models that maybe you already know?

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Wilson Mora: Following this, we will explore how PAC enables families to develop alongside their children. I will share stories from families to illustrate how PAC looks like in real life, but also from parent viewpoint. So at the same time.

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Wilson Mora: we will be able to.

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Wilson Mora: read some message that family wanted to share with practitioner or with the community. So in that way, uh, we can get another idea, uh, what is the parent perspective in this journey.

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Wilson Mora: And at the end of the presentation, maybe we'll find more information about maybe about PAC training or any other, maybe research or any other element that will give you some ideas how to go deeper in the PAC journey.

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Wilson Mora: So, um… oh, I think I didn't ask you. Everybody can hear okay? Is everything okay? Can you see the screen? Is everything okay?

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Wilson Mora: Yep.

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Wilson Mora: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you for the feedback. So let's go with PAC Foundation.

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Wilson Mora: So as you can see here in this chart at the center, we can see a child with the primary, his or her primary caregivers or significant adults. So I consider, we consider this image here because.

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Wilson Mora: In PACT, we highlight the relevance of supporting the entire family unit, not only the child. So that is the main difference that you will see across this presentation and the other presentation that will be available on our website.

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Wilson Mora: So in this way, in order that consider the whole family, we will go through really deep observation, active engagement, and compassionate practices. So in this way, PAC cultivates a journey of guided discovery, allowing both adults and children to enhance their understanding and deeper.

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Wilson Mora: deepen their connection with one another. So the 1st element that we will see here is that pack hold, or is built on strong scientific research showing long term advantages or long term follow up. So you will find studies that follow.

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Wilson Mora: uh, that can, uh, or some study that, uh, can see their sixth year of follow-up in, in the PAC research. So, in this way, uh, you will see these long-term advantages from childhood communication and engagement.

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Wilson Mora: The other thing is that, so this is one key element because in many approaches or in many research nowadays we'll find just maybe one year follow up or maybe two year follow up, but in fact we have six year follow up research.

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Wilson Mora: So that is the main, uh, difference. The other thing that we'll find here is the pack is focuses on the unique relationship between adults and children. So we value both perspective to promote connection and communication.

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Wilson Mora: The other thing that we'll find here in PAC is that we focus on the unique relationship between the adult and children. Oh, I already mentioned that. So the other thing that we validate, parent knowledge. So in this way, parents feel more confident.

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Wilson Mora: he or she or parent, they feel that they are capable and they can do something in daily routine. So they don't need to buy specific toys or they don't need to go to some specific places to support their children. So they feel confident in their own familiar routine.

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Wilson Mora: And the last key element that I would like to share here is that PAC uses a developmental relational approach combined with the neuroaffirmative approach that honor autistic strengths and acknowledge that the challenges face or experience for autistic children.

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Wilson Mora: The other element that I would like to share is why packed?

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Wilson Mora: So in this way, when elements maybe could be a little new for some people is that we use video feedback. Video feedback is a technique or also consider a method that involve recorder, a 10 minute video that capture interaction.

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Wilson Mora: between the caregiver and the autistic child during any familiar routine. Through this footage, the caregiver can reflect on ways to enhance their support by recognizing the child's unique nor the virgin styles.

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Wilson Mora: and interests, rather than adhering to a conventional developmental curriculum. This tailored approach fosters more understanding and supportive environment for the child.

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Wilson Mora: The other element that we will consider here is that we will start from the base. What this mean? That we build from parent strength. So this approach ensure, as I already mentioned a little, ensure that adults are supported by acknowledging their existing strength and understanding and responding to their child.

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Wilson Mora: It also focuses on helping them develop additional skills that promote empowerment and validation for both children and adults. So in this way, I was talking all the time about the child and adults. So in this way.

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Wilson Mora: The key element impact is the diet, so the adult or caregiver and the child all the time. So for that reason, I mentioned that in the previous picture, I show, like, the entire family, right? So we consider the diet all the time.

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Wilson Mora: The other key element that we'll find here is we honor the unique journey. So we're not trying to change behavior. We're trying to promote, you know, a natural communication and interaction. And we also enhance and respect the unique experiences of neurodivergent children. So we aim to improve engagement and communication between these.

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Wilson Mora: Caregiver and the child in their own style, in their own terms, in terms of imposing some prescriptive goals or some developmental milestones. So we are more focusing on nurturing child in hearing, curiosity, style and motivation.

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Wilson Mora: The other element that could be really beneficial for family, but also for practitioner is that we can be really flexible so we can adjust to the family routine. But also I would like to say practitioner schedule because we know that across the world we have a long waiting list.

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Wilson Mora: a little impossible to cover all the families, but at the same time, um.

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Wilson Mora: families, especially families that they live, for example, far away from the main cities, or sometimes they live in rural communities, so they don't have the possibility to travel like one or twice or every day to go and access to those specialized services.

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Wilson Mora: So in this way, session can be delivered, for example, virtually impact, but also the program was developed to deliver the session every fortnight. So parent can record some videos that feature natural familiar routine for the entire family, and that video is analyzed.

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Wilson Mora: later with the practitioner and the caregivers, and we will discover together what is working well for that family.

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Wilson Mora: And finally, I would like to say that caregiver, we can see an active engagement here and active participation. So caregiver are encouraged to share their priorities from the beginning of the session and each session as well. What is important for them?

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Wilson Mora: So this program is built in parent interest and at the same time they can set their own goals. That means when I know that nowadays we hear a lot this time like, okay, you can set your own goals, but here they have this.

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Wilson Mora: real possibility, but at the same time, they can use their own vocabulary, their own language. So, they won't find, like, a goal or, like, a program that they can't understand, that they can't read, or they can't follow, because it's not realistic with their family routine.

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Wilson Mora: So in this way, when parents are really involved in this process, all the program makes sense to them, to their reality.

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Wilson Mora: So right now, focusing in this active engagement, I invited some parent to respond or to analyze some question. So I will be sharing with you how this PAC journey looks like from parent viewpoint. So in this way, I will be sharing the question and then I will be sharing the parent experiences as well.

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Wilson Mora: So the first question that I provided to the parent was, what were your goals or expectation when you first embarked on the PAC journey?

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Wilson Mora: a parent of a 3-year-old child. They said, when we began the program, we were unfamiliar with the world of the autism spectrum. We like guidance on how to navigate these new lifestyles. But after learning about the various therapy options, PACT seems like a promising choice.

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Wilson Mora: or option. We appreciated its focus on following the child pace or child leadership as naturally as possible. The fact that we, as a parent, implemented these strategies provided us with hope.

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Wilson Mora: To gain a deeper understanding of our child, and to foster more effective communication with him. All on his own term.

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Wilson Mora: Another family, a mother of a seven-year-old child, she said, actually, I had never heard of this program before, but once the therapist explained it to me, I found it interesting and I was eager to start exploring it.

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Wilson Mora: The 1st thing that caught my attention was that, unlike the usual approach of working directly, she was trying to say that the practitioner directly with the child, I would actually be the one conducting the therapy with her.

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Wilson Mora: Then, another question that I proposed to the parent, to the family, was, what contribution or benefit has PAC provided to you?

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Wilson Mora: Uh…

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Wilson Mora: A mother of a seven year old girl, she said, this program gave me a lot. It taught me how I can support my daughter better. In each session with a therapist, I learned something new and new strategy to work with my daughter. Some of this strategy I was already using.

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Wilson Mora: unknowingly, so I became aware of the importance of the reviewing the videos with a therapist, and when we figure out these strategies and saw how well they work, I started using them more intentionally, and they just naturally fit into our daily routine.

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Wilson Mora: As you can see, it's something similar, as already mentioned a few minutes ago, about how the program can fit in their natural routine.

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Wilson Mora: Other a parent of a three year old child, they said the program equip us with straightforward tools to foster a connection with our son, who initially seemed in a bubble and interested in others. Gradually, we began to notice meaningful glances, intentional smiles.

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Wilson Mora: and a genuine desire to engage in chair activities that emerge from him naturally an entirely new experience for us. So, as you can see, parents are going through this journey, and they're and they feel they feel comfortable. They feel.

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Wilson Mora: confident in this interaction with their children.

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Wilson Mora: In this, uh, as you can, um, as I shared recently some experiences, the other element that I will like, or the other approach that I will like to, to, to talk, uh, today that fit really well with PACT is called loose part approach, or loose pack materials, or loose parts.

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Wilson Mora: play. Maybe most of you are already familiar with this approach. So as you can see here, a loose part approach involves using open ended material that can be interacted with and manipulated in different or numerous way.

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Wilson Mora: When children are placed in an environment in reach of this loose part, they are inspired to experiment and explore this material creatively, fostering their innovative thinking.

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Wilson Mora: So, as you can see as well in this picture, LUSPAR are essential in many early childhood education centers across the world. So, maybe this is something that, uh, early childhood education centers, they already implemented, but maybe we didn't know, or we didn't hear about the name, like, LUSPAR approach.

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Wilson Mora: So loosper approach is affordable, is sustainable. So some example of loosper may include like natural material. As you can see, children are enjoying or having fun with some flowers, maybe with.

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Wilson Mora: like, some wood pieces or any other element that they can find every time that they go to the park, or when they play in the backyard, you know? They can use any material, could be meaningful for them in their own term.

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Wilson Mora: The other element that could be could be like a plastic element, like this plastic jar or plastic container, or this topper, you know. They can put some water, and they can play and trying to set up like in a sensory play. So any kind of material could be really useful or meaningful for the child and the family. The other element could be like a wood. So sometimes children, when they or parent, when they go to the park, they can.

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Wilson Mora: find some, uh, pine cone, and they can use those pine cone, like, paint brushes later, and they can paint with that, or create some piece of art. So, it's really, really flexible, as you can see.

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Wilson Mora: the paper, or maybe some fabric, like these scarves, or maybe, like, cardboard boxes, so any kind of material is really flexible, and at the same time, this material are also easily accessible at home, and can align with the goals caregiver may set in the PAC program. So.

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Wilson Mora: In this way, why I wanted to talk about this approach, because it's really aligned with PAC, because we don't need to buy one specific toy to support children development or this interaction. So it could be any material that is available at home.

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Wilson Mora: a daycare, or even if they're visiting, or their family member, or their relative, they can use them as well. Or maybe it could be in one specific routine, like the snack time, or any meal time, is something that they can use in any specific context, you know.

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Wilson Mora: So, following with this journey, then I would like to, uh, I wanted to explore the other side, maybe any potential challenge or barrier that they face. So, the question that I provided to the parent was, what was the biggest challenge, and how was it addressed?

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Wilson Mora: And one caregiver parent of a six-year-old child, they said the biggest challenge they faced was figuring out how to record the initial video. This is something really common, to be honest. I feel embarrassed and uncertain about capturing myself, especially while interacting with our son.

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Wilson Mora: Another challenge was timing the recording. So because we talk about 10 minute, approximately 10 minute video.

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Wilson Mora: Which proved tricky. But then everything worked out. So she solved it. So they did awesome. And then other family, they said a parent of a nine years old child, they said the biggest challenge was recognizing what my son was expressing.

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Wilson Mora: Something that he liked or dislikes. Things that often went unnoticed. When we began the program, you encouraged us to observe him more closely and seek out activity that our son truly enjoy. The videos proved to be incredibly beneficial in this process.

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Wilson Mora: We would carry out the activity, record it, and then review the footage to analyze all his expression, his body language, and everything was happening in that specific interaction. The video became an invaluable resource for us.

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Wilson Mora: So, as you can see, parents feel confident sharing their own challenge, and maybe some of them were related how to handle some electronic devices, or sometimes they realize that maybe there's more information happening in front of them, you know? But they were able to discover those elements.

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Wilson Mora: through this video feedback that I was talking about in the beginning of this presentation.

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Wilson Mora: So, the other element, um, that I… or key element in this presentation that I mentioned, uh, was, um, given to the parent the possibility to share a message from, uh, to the practitioner or to the community.

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Wilson Mora: So in this way, the question was, what kind of support do you think may improve your family's quality of life?

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Wilson Mora: And…

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Wilson Mora: parent of a 3-year-old child, they said, we hope that professionals in our lives can provide us with straightforward tools that we can use daily to foster positive interaction with our child. We seek understanding, support, and non-judgment during moments of vulnerability.

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Wilson Mora: We find that therapy is beneficial not just for our child, but for the entire family.

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Wilson Mora: In other family, they wanted to share, um, this other message. Uh, the key aspect is that therapists truly listen to the parent, as many professionals overlook this and may provide advice that parents don't understand. So we're talking about, uh.

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Wilson Mora: about this ailment that sometime practitioner may use some vocabulary or language the parent they can't follow or they can't understand. Living with the children gives parent a unique perspective. It is essential for therapists to promote well coordinated interventions.

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Wilson Mora: Especially when multiple professionals are involved, ensuring that everyone is in sync and striving toward a common goal.

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Wilson Mora: So, um…

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Wilson Mora: I would like to take a moment to appreciate and say thank you. I would like to express my gratitude to each family. Thank you for your trust, motivation, effort, and dedication impact. I appreciate your collaboration with this presentation as well.

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Wilson Mora: Thank you for sharing your experiences which have taught me to become a better practitioner.

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Wilson Mora: And in the last part of this presentation, I would like to share with you maybe more resources that can give you more information about how PAC looks like in different contexts.

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Wilson Mora: As you can see here.

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Wilson Mora: We are here today, growing together. So I was sharing this journey today. In September 3rd, we'll have the opportunity to take this webinar, Supporting Children with Differences to Flourish Infant Therapy. I will be the presenter in this presentation as well.

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Wilson Mora: But we'll have more webinars as well. We have one in November 5th and in November 26th.

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Wilson Mora: So we'll have the opportunity to experience or know more about PAC from other passionate practitioner.

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Wilson Mora: in different perspective in that way.

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Wilson Mora: And as well, I would like to share some key research that maybe you can take a picture of this presentation or this research so you can type later or you can go deeper in order to know more, a little more about the research that I mentioned in the beginning of this presentation.

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Wilson Mora: The other element that I would like to share with you is about the PACT trainer. If you are a practitioner and you would like maybe to know a little more about PACT, you can go here to go or know a little more about PACT level one. It's introductory training, and then you can go to the advanced training. It's a level two.

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Wilson Mora: And also, uh, you have a contact information here, so maybe you can email us and you can get more information based on your specific situation or your… maybe the reality in your specific, uh, community.

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Wilson Mora: And thank you. Thank you, all of you, for being here today and booked this time for this presentation. And I think we have enough time to solve or cover some questions, so I will stop sharing here.

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Wilson Mora: And…

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Wilson Mora: Yep.

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Wilson Mora: So, um…

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Wilson Mora: I was wondering if there's something that maybe I didn't explain well, or was a little, uh, unclear. I'm happy to cover all this question, or maybe something more that…

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Wilson Mora: you would like to know about PAC today or about this presentation.

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Claire (Admin): Davidson.

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Wilson Mora: Okay, oh.

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Wilson Mora: Just, I can't see.

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Wilson Mora: Oh, I can't write the file.

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Wilson Mora: Thank you for wonderful presentation. I understand the pack was originally for younger children. I'd like to hear more about your experience delivering pack to families with the child is older. Yeah, I'm not sure if you because it was a really tiny.

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Wilson Mora: library font there. But I tried to put experience from a family with a 3 years old boy, but also with a 9 years old. And also I think the.

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Wilson Mora: Yeah, I had another family, but they didn't reply something, but definitely it's completely flexible, as I mentioned, you know, so for example, during the training you will get more information, but it's completely flexible and affordable, you know, in order to.

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Wilson Mora: realistic in some point to implement with children with different language preferences. You know, sometimes some of them they use more vocabulary, some of them they're not speaking so far. So regardless their language.

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Wilson Mora: proficiency in some point, you know, or their preferences, we can implement PAC because sometimes we may have autistic children that they are 10 years old and they are not speaking. But we may have, I don't know, a 3, 4 years old child, and they are fluent in some point, right? And even some of them is really surprised about some of them. They're speaking another language. So that's really nice to see as well, right? So we don't have any restriction or any specific.

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Wilson Mora: requirement to implement PAC with one specific child, but this other child maybe is not fitting with this approach. It's really flexible in that way.

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Wilson Mora: in the schedule that we can set with the family, because we will have session every two weeks, so it's really affordable. It's realistic for the family road team. Um…

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Wilson Mora: So even to be honest, in the last year, we have additional research that they show that intensive program, they don't see, you know, it's impossible to see differences, you know, or improvement or achievement that less intensive program.

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Wilson Mora: quite surprising. So, in some areas, we still hear that, okay, you received this diagnosis of autism, and.

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Wilson Mora: people tend to assume that, okay, you need to go for this intensive program, like, 30, 40 hours per week, and that is not realistic for many families. Um…

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Wilson Mora: And as I mentioned recently, regardless of their age, so PAC can be implemented with children between two years old up to 11 years old. I mean, hopefully starting about 10 and something, just so in that way we can finish maybe about 18.

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Wilson Mora: 11 years old. So it's really flexible in that way.

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Wilson Mora: I'm not sure if I… Yeah, I was a little extended in my answer. Sorry for that. But I'm not sure if that's all. Awesome. Okay, awesome.

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Wilson Mora: Any other comment or question?

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Wilson Mora: Oh, thank you for the feedback, Nicolas, as well. Thank you for that. Any other concern or maybe other, uh.

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Wilson Mora: question or idea that you may have based on your community maybe.

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Wilson Mora: Okay, thank you. Thank you, Laura.

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Wilson Mora: So if you want to refresh some of the things or some specific element that we show in this presentation, you will be able to watch this webinar in a few days, you know, maybe during the next week, you know, so we need some time in order to adjust everything on the website.

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Wilson Mora: you will be able. The other thing that I would like to say that we already have the previous webinar. So those webinar already available there. So if you want to know more about maybe I basis or pack, please go there, and you will find really interesting perspective as well.

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Wilson Mora: with other paginated practitioners as well. And then we'll have another one in September, November. So we'll have more possibilities. So if you're interested in this.

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Wilson Mora: area, specifically with PAC. Yeah, I will be waiting for you in September 3rd. I will be talking about iBasis in that opportunity. So that is focusing for…

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Wilson Mora: Babies.

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Wilson Mora: Under the age of 2, so I will be sharing other experiences with other families as well, and how PACT looks like in the real life, because sometimes we can read a lot of information, but sometimes we don't have a clear idea how that looks like.

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Wilson Mora: In the real life.

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Wilson Mora: Yeah, I'm not sure if there are.

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Wilson Mora: and…

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Wilson Mora: Yeah, thank you, Christine, for your feedback as well. Thank you for that. Yeah, the other thing that I would like to say is that considering that PAC is really flexible, especially if you're working with family from different location or even from different countries, you can do that definitely.

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Wilson Mora: Because, um.

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Wilson Mora: PAC can be implemented or can be delivered virtually. So I also had the experience to work with family from different countries as well. And that is a great opportunity because we.

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Wilson Mora: In order that you have the opportunity, you will see that some countries, they are facing more challenges or more barrier to deliver specialized services in autism.

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Wilson Mora: So that could be a good opportunity as well at some point.

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Wilson Mora: Do you have any experiences on working with nurseries and care? Not directly, indirectly, I could say yes, but not directly, not implemented directly. But when you work with the family and you work with the team that is behind that.

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Wilson Mora: directly. Everybody is on the same page, because, for example, one of the challenge. Maybe if you work in the school context, you already know that trying to find a specific time for that meeting could be quite tricky. It could be really, really difficult, right? So sometimes that could be a barrier.

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Wilson Mora: But in order to work, I mean, you work with the family. So family, they have a clear idea how PAC can be implemented in daily life. So those goal are really natural for them. So those goal can be naturally implemented in other context as well.

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Wilson Mora: So for that reason, I wanted to include this loose bar approach as well, because we don't need to buy a specific toys or any specific materials, or you need to build or adjust any specific room in your house. It's not in that way. You know, it's basically.

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Wilson Mora: Every family, they already have a routine. They have some preferences, something that they don't like or don't enjoy. So we can use all the information in order to set up these really natural goals. And when those goals are really natural, can be implemented in any context. And even when you have the opportunity to work with the family, with the whole family.

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Wilson Mora: Sometimes grandparent can be involved and they can use them in their own home, on their own routine as well. So I didn't work directly with nurseries or early childhood education with PAC in that way. But when you see the goal in that way.

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Wilson Mora: can be naturally implemented in any context. So they're not tied to the clinical setting. They're not tied to this specific, you know, place, you know, can be implemented in any context. So are really, really flexible.

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Wilson Mora: I'm not sure if I reply or I provided a clear answer to your answer, to your question, sorry. I don't know if my answer was clear.

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Wilson Mora: Any other question or concern or feedback or?

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Wilson Mora: complain. Could we? This is this is your opportunity.

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Wilson Mora: Okay.

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Wilson Mora: OK, thank you. Thank you for it.

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Wilson Mora: Any other thought?

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Wilson Mora: We have just, yeah, we have a few minutes as well to do that. So yeah, any other comment, any other question or any other concern about PACT?

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Wilson Mora: So as I share with you, if you want to learn a little more, for example, about PAC training, you can go here to this link or you can email directly here and you will receive more information about the upcoming PAC training.

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Wilson Mora: And for the webinar.

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Wilson Mora: So all this webinar, they are already available on our website. This one will be available in the following days and these three upcoming webinar will be delivered in this specific date.

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Wilson Mora: So hopefully, uh.

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Wilson Mora: Yeah, you can get another idea about how pack or.

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Wilson Mora: this approach just looks like.

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Wilson Mora: Your life.

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Wilson Mora: Oh, thank you. Thank you for that question. My experience working with autistic children use an approach.

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Wilson Mora: This is something really, really interesting because when you work with children, for example, I have been supporting children directly in the nurseries or early childhood education as well.

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Wilson Mora: And.

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Wilson Mora: In that way, sometime as an adult, we may have like a…

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Wilson Mora: assumption, how to use one specific material, one specific toy in one specific way.

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Wilson Mora: But when you provide to the children these materials.

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Wilson Mora: and you can just put them. So we always call this an invitation to play and have fun. That's all. No rules in that way, so children can explore them and can figure out how to use them. And as an authentic child or any child.

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Wilson Mora: they will find really interesting way to do that, even some way that maybe I never thought how to use them, you know? So they will use that scarf as a… pretending to be a ghost, you know? They will pretend to be a ghost. We will play peekaboo, if they enjoy that, or we'll hide and seek, or…

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Wilson Mora: They can use that as a become, they can becoming a superhero, you know, or they can use that scarf like in a, you know, they can pretend that there's a plate, you know, they will use that material in different way. So in that way, when children, they have.

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Wilson Mora: possibility, they will be able to explore in different ways that material. So, and sometimes these, um, already determined toys, you know, uh, they're so really fixed, and sometimes we feel a little surprised, like, okay, I can use this toy in 10 ways, in 10 different ways. Oh, that's great!

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Wilson Mora: But with loose paramateria, there's an open-ended opportunity, you know? They can use it in a different way, you know? And even if they use that toy or those materials in several days, maybe they will figure out a different way to use it. And so that's something really, really interesting to see that. And at the same time.

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Wilson Mora: It's a really nice way to see how other people surrounded can join to that activity as well because there's no rules. So there's one specific way that they will figure out and other people can join. That could be parent, could be another friend or a classmate. So they can join in that activity in a really natural way. So I would like to say that I had a really great experience.

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Wilson Mora: And they have a lot of possibilities to use them. So there's no rules in that way.

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Wilson Mora: So the other thing is that, oh, thank you. Thank you, Laura, for your feedback as well. Yeah.

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Wilson Mora: The other thing is that you can use, uh, when you think in this material, I mean, it's something that in some point is really aligned with PAC, because we don't promote, like, using, okay, this specific toy for this specific strategy, for this specific goal.

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Wilson Mora: It's something that makes sense to the family.

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Wilson Mora: Some family, they really enjoy, um…

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Wilson Mora: I don't know, having a snack at 5:00 PM or their family could be at 7:00 PM and that's okay. You know, they have one specific routine and they love to use or going for hiking.

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Wilson Mora: But some of them, they don't. Okay. They have different interests, different motivation. So it's just another way to show that PAC can be implemented in a really natural way and we don't need to get any specific or some time.

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Wilson Mora: or most of the time I would like to say some expensive materials or expensive toys. Right? So it's something really affordable. It's natural and realistic.

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Wilson Mora: So I could say that is my experience. It's something realistic that you can see with the family and even some comment that I didn't mention directly in this slide.

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Wilson Mora: but parent, they usually say that I don't feel that I'm doing something like a therapeutic support or a therapy. They are… I'm just having fun, you know? And they don't feel that they are doing something, because they feel comfortable in their own context.

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Wilson Mora: So, or maybe they can record when they're playing in the park, on the backyard, or I don't know, in any other context, you know. So they feel so comfortable in that way. And parents feel that they're actively engaged in this process because they are, they're feeling they can set their own goals in their own vocabulary and words.

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Wilson Mora: We are collaborating with them, so they are the expert and we are trying to provide maybe some reflective question and in that way, okay, we can build together and we can maybe discover together what is working well in that specific moment.

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Wilson Mora: So we validate parent experience all the time. So for that reason, I think that they don't feel that they are doing something like.

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Wilson Mora: therapy, and they usually say that, you know, I'm just playing, I'm having fun, you know, I'm… I was cooking, I was doing my stuff, you know, and I don't feel that I'm, like, the pressure, or maybe, you know, like, the pressure about the, you know, the time sometimes, just to go for one specific clinic, sometimes they need to drive.

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Wilson Mora: one, two, three hours just to go there and then to go back the same time. So only that situation is quite overwhelming for most of the families. You know, for many things may happen just in that commute, you know, the traffic, you know, something happened, you know, an accident, whatever, right?

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Wilson Mora: people or family. They don't feel that pressure. So yeah, I think it's it's really flexible. So.

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Wilson Mora: Yeah. And I had the opportunity to work with family from different countries. So that's great. So I would like to say that is culturally sensitive as well. So yeah, because we respect family's values all the time.

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Wilson Mora: So yeah, so if you want to know more, please join us to the next webinars or maybe email us to know more maybe about the training or maybe the future event that will be running in the following month.

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Wilson Mora: So any final thought, final question or complaint? No? Okay, awesome, awesome. That's okay. If you say complaint, I will stop. So the recording, so I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much for your question, your reflection. I really appreciate that.